The Alumni Director at my seminary, the Iliff School of Theology, interviewed me a few weeks ago.  I loved sitting down with her at our kitchen table with herbal tea and just talking.  She asked me great questions, and I love that the interview she crafted includes lots of quotes, so you hear me as me.  You can read it here.  I talk about my work some, and also Dr. Vincent Harding, and my grandfather, and our family’s 5 years in Kansas, among other things.  Here’s an excerpt:

I felt like an outsider. I felt like an outsider everywhere. I felt like an outsider in just about every aspect. So those five years that we lived there were really hard.

They got harder as we lived there. Churches are really shitty to pastors. This really sucks. It was a really horrible and complicated time. I felt really alone and unsafe. There wasn’t anybody that I could talk to about what I was feeling or experiencing.

But I share that because those experiences of feeling alone and like there was no safe place for me to be and that people who had the power to help me didn’t always do that, it turns out deeply informs the work that I now do.

Thanks for reading.